Hello everyone,

I discovered this movement only yesterday, and have been carefully going through the orientation guide and video just to make sure I agree with every idea.

I was glad to realise that this is exactly what I believe that has to be done, even if it's just the first step of a greater revolution that will take place inside our minds. IMO, our entire thinking system is wrong and based on the so called ego. But in order to change that, people need time to dedicate to their own growth. So I believe these proposals are exactly what needs to be done. Basically, I agree with everything stated in the orientation guide except for these two little details I will now enounce.

I wasn't very confortable with the way it was said that "technology and science are divinity in action". I believe that WE ARE divinity in action, not computers, science or technology in general. As stated, those are tools or the means to achieve the goals. I immediately imagined people worshiping technology or making it sacred... And there's another danger that seems to have been overlooked. Computers control everything, but 5 percent of the population monitorises them, and another part of the population, the ingenious minority, actually interferes in that giant integrated knowledge database. So, practically speaking, aren't these people ruling? Isn't this what they call a technocracy? (I guess someone must of brought up these issues earlier. If that's the case, I apologize.)

The other "toad I find hard to swallow" (portuguese saying ^^) is how come architecture is looked at as just another repetetive, monotonous routine, and a job that could be better done by computers?! How can architecture be compared to an industrial job, thus considering it not creative?! How is architecture not creative?! I'd agree if someone said that civil engeneering should only be done by computers, since computers are doing most of the calculations, so that is very likely to happen. But architecture is creative and there's more to it. Architects gather knowledge from various fields, so they'd be extremely important in linking those different branches of knowledge. Architecture today is all about sustainability, efficience, balance between the people's needs and the qualities of the surrounding space. Was the Venus Project conceived by a computer? Could it ever be? Computers will never have what it takes to create really wellcoming environments or stimulating spaces. Simply because they never had an architectonic experince of any kind, so they don't have memories of confort, wellbeing, happiness, any of those feelings that are inherent to human beings. I read the example of what an "architects studio" would be like in the FAQ. I find it shocking. If the arts have a place in this new world, why doesn't creative man-made architecture have one?

Ok, I know there is "architecture" made by computers but that's hardly architecture, IMO. It has no soul, it's purely functional. Surely everyone agrees that the Venus Project's designs are in fact appealing. Could a computer simply come up with that? I don't think so. I suppose Mr. Fresco isn't an architect. But he's human. That's my point. I'm not saying that computers aren't a useful and powerful tool, that would be pathetic. What I mean is, even if computers do a lot of the tedious part of the job (calculations, areas, structure) there must always be human supervision and creativity throughout the process. The results can only be better.

I look forward to read your views on this.

1) it impossible to know what is sacred or divine unless you are referring to what people conditioned to think is.
But I agree that we should not worship technology.
This is a introduction to Technocracy en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy (The Venus project can be viewd as belonging to the same general field).

2) the architecture presented in the presentation is just example of efficient designs, nobody will be forced to live in these buildings if they do not want to. And I am sure that there will be quite extensive possibilities for people to design their own type of housing if a VP-type of society ever will come into fruition.

Hello and welcome Zenith

Has stated you seem to have two doubts regarding science and technology, with a given attribute of "divinity", and another theme especificly, computer made architecture.

I am new to the Zeitgeist Movement and to this forum so, i will try my the best of my ability to answer your questions.

I'l start with science and technology which were given the "divine" atribute and why it has given such metafore and why this particular atribute was not given to humans instead.

Science and technology since ancient times are useful if not essencial to human evolution and scientific devolpment,all in which are derived from humanity but, science however is actually an extension of the human brain, and physical function, and pure example would be a piece of paper and a pen, which would record some useful knowledge that the human to use later on.
Science is a tool and within it humans decide what to use it for, using knowledge in order to use in his/her daily life, or has he/she seems fit to use, and according to the venus project is for the good of all mankind, and wrong way to use science is weapons, Humans are knowledge and our tools our "divinity".

The second theme however is a question based on confidence that exists between human and machine, and its ability to intregrate utility into creativity, or vice-versa.
Humans create machines, their purpose is only assumed by the creator, either be for construction or for anything you might think off.

Thanks for reading